The Longevity Podcast: Optimizing HealthSpan & MindSpan

Aging, Demystified

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We map aging from cells to systems, then separate normal changes from disease so you know when to act. We close with seven lifestyle pillars, smarter screening, essential vaccines, and a provocative look at longer, healthier lives.

• Nonlinear timelines of aging across body systems
• Telomere shortening, cellular waste, and tissue stiffening
• Cardiovascular strain, muscle and bone loss, slower digestion
• Vision and hearing changes, skin and hair shifts
• Normal aging signs versus disease signals
• Severe memory loss flagged as not normal aging
• Seven lifestyle pillars to extend health span
• Nuanced screening decisions and key adult vaccines
• Societal implications of longer healthy lifespans

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SPEAKER_01:

Welcome back to the deep dive. Today we are tackling something that affects every single one of us, with no exceptions. We're talking about aging. And you know, we all see the surface level stuff in the mirror, the wrinkles, the gray hair, but that's just the tip of the iceberg.

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It really is. Underneath, there's this huge, complex biological process going on.

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Which raises a really interesting question. If aging technically starts at conception, when do we actually start to feel it? When do the changes really kick in?

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That's the perfect question to start with. Because when we talk about aging, what we're really talking about is our 13 trillion cells. And in the beginning, you know, growth just completely masks the process.

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But the timeline isn't what you'd expect, right? It's not like you hit 60 and everything starts declining at once.

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Not at all. It's completely nonlinear. And here's the part that might surprise you: your metabolism, its gradual decline. That often starts in your 20s.

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In your 20s, wow.

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Yep. But then something like significant hearing loss might not begin until you're 50, maybe even later. So all our systems are on these totally different clocks.

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Okay. So that's our mission for this deep dive. We're going to unpack what aging actually is from the cellular level all the way up to the major body systems.

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And crucially, we're going to separate what's normal and what's not.

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Exactly. Differentiating the inevitable wear and tear from preventable diseases. This is your roadmap to maximizing not just your lifespan, but your health span. So let's jump right in. What's actually causing all this? It sounds like there's no single culprit.

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Aaron Powell Oh, absolutely not. It's what we call multifactorial. Your genetics, your diet, how much you exercise, any illnesses you have, um, all of it plays a part in how quickly your cells age.

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Aaron Ross Powell The sources we look at pointed to some really hopeful research that started back in the 90s, I think.

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Yeah.

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About identifying specific genes.

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Trevor Burrus, Jr.: Yes. That was a huge breakthrough. Scientists found genes that could actually change the rate of aging in animals. And what was so fascinating, the real insight, was that the changes that extended their lives also extended their vitality.

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Aaron Powell Meaning they weren't just living longer, they were living well for longer.

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Exactly. They stayed healthy and active for almost their entire extended lifespan. They didn't just tack on years of being frail.

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Aaron Powell That's the whole ballgame right there. Health span over lifespan.

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Aaron Powell It is. Now, of course, the caveat is that this isn't a fountain of youth for humans. Yep. Not yet, anyway. But it does suggest that, you know, maybe in the 21st century we could see drugs that extend life and improve health at the same time. That's the big hope.

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Aaron Powell Okay. So before we get to future miracle drugs, let's get into the mechanics. What's actually happening right now at the cellular level?

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Aaron Powell There are a few key things. First, and this is the most basic one, our cells just become less able to divide. They have a limit.

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Aaron Powell And the telomeres are part of that, right? I've heard so much about those.

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Aaron Powell They are. The telomeres are these little protective caps on the ends of our chromosomes. Think of them like the plastic tips on a shoelace. Okay. And every time a cell divides, they get a tiny bit shorter. Eventually, they get so short the cell just stops dividing or dies. It's like a built-in countdown.

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Aaron Powell Is there anything we can do about that countdown? Does lifestyle affect telomere length?

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It seems to. Things like reducing chronic stress, good diet, exercise. They're thought to offer some protection. You can't stop it, but you might be able to slow it down.

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Aaron Powell Okay, so that's two. What's the third mechanism?

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Third is that waste products start to build up inside the cells. It's like uh the cell's garbage disposal system gets overwhelmed and that gums up the machinery.

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And how does that cellular gunk translate to how we actually feel physically?

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Aaron Powell That's the bridge. The fourth mechanism is that the connective tissue between the cells starts to stiffen, the collagen and elastin. Ah, so that's what leads to stiff joints and less flexible arteries, less elastic skin, exactly. And then fifth, the overall functional capacity of our organs starts to decrease. The failure at the micro level adds up to a decline at the macro level.

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Okay, that makes sense. So let's use that as a foundation and do a system-by-system look, like a field guide to what's going on inside.

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Good idea.

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Aaron Powell Let's start with the engine, the cardiovascular system. What does all that stiffening do to the heart?

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Well, it puts it under a lot of strain. The actual wall of the heart gets thicker and the muscle becomes less efficient. It has to work harder just to do the same job.

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So a less efficient pump?

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A less efficient pump pushing blood into stiffer pipes, because your aorta your main artery also gets thicker and less flexible.

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And you get that plaque buildup, atherosclerosis. But the sources said that doesn't happen severely to everyone.

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And that's a fantastic point. Typical doesn't mean it's inevitable for you, specifically. It suggests lifestyle can have a huge impact.

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So the real takeaway for you, the listener, isn't just that things get stiffer. It's about what that means for your daily life.

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That's it. It means it takes much longer for your heart rate to come back to normal after you exercise. Your body has a harder time controlling its temperature. It's that loss of reserve capacity.

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Right. Let's move to the frame of the body. Skeletal and muscular systems. This is where a lot of people say they first feel old.

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For sure. Your bones become thinner, less dense, which is why fracture risk goes up.

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And the joints. The morning stiffness.

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That's the cartilage and bone in the joints weakening. They get stiffer, less flexible. And on top of that, your muscle tissue itself shrinks. It becomes less bulky and less strong.

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Aaron Powell Okay. What about digestion and our senses? Two things that really impact quality of life.

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Aaron Powell For digestion, things just slow down. The whole process, your stomach, liver, pancreas, they all start producing smaller amounts of digestive juices.

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Which can lead to other issues, I imagine.

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It can. Nutrient absorption can become less efficient, and for our senses, the world can literally seem less sharp. Oh so with the eyes, your retinas get thinner and the lenses become less clear. For hearing, the ear canal walls thin out while the eardrums thicken. It all adds up to a gradual decline in vision and hearing.

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And finally, the part we can't hide are skin and hair.

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Skin gets thinner, much less elastic, sweat glands produce less sweat, you nails grow slower, and with hair, well, the pigment cells stop working, which is why it turns gray, and eventually the follicles themselves can just stop producing hair.

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Alright, that's the physical guide. Now we need to get to what I think is the most important part of this whole deep dive.

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The difference between what's normal and what's a disease.

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Exactly. First, let's cover the common expected stuff. You might be more susceptible to infections. You might lose a little bit of height.

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A slightly stooped posture is also pretty common, along with reduced reflexes and maybe some issues with balance. These are the annoying but generally harmless effects.

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But now for the myth busting. Let's talk about what is not a normal part of getting older.

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This is so important. Look, a s slight slowing of thought, maybe forgetting where you put your keys. We all joke about senior moments. That's common.

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Right.

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But delirium, dementia, severe memory loss, these are absolutely not a normal part of aging.

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I think that's worth repeating. That is not normal.

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It is not. The sources are crystal clear. Senility is not a natural consequence of getting old. If you or a loved one is experiencing that kind of major cognitive change, it's a sign of a disease process.

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And it needs to be checked out by a doctor. You can't just write it off as, oh, he's just getting old.

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Never. That's the single most actionable thing to take from this. That distinction is everything.

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There was one other detail about weight. When does that typically change?

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Yeah, due to that muscle loss we mentioned, some weight loss is typical. It usually starts after age 55 in men and a bit later after 65 in women.

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Okay, so we can't stop time, we can't change our genes. The whole game shifts to managing risk and maximizing how well we live. Let's talk strategy.

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This is where we get our power back. It's all about lifestyle. This is how we combat the risk of those diseases that are not a normal part of aging.

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Let's run through the pillars. What's number one?

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Stop smoking. It's at the top of the list for a reason. Heart disease, stroke, osteoporosis, it even seems to make memory worse.

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But there's hope there, right? If you quit.

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Huge hope. Quitting can repair some or even all of the damage. It's an incredible return on investment for your health.

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Okay, number two.

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Physical and mental activity. And physical activity doesn't have to mean running a marathon. It can be gardening, vigorous housekeeping, anything that keeps your heart and bones healthy.

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And the research connecting it to dementia risk is getting stronger and stronger.

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It is. And on the mental side, staying active, learning new things, challenging your brain helps build up what we call a cognitive reserve.

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Pillar number three is diet.

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It's the classic advice because it works. Whole grains, vegetables, fruits, and swap out those unhealthy, saturated fats for things like olive oil or avocados.

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Number four, weight and body shape. Metabolism slows, so this gets harder.

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It does. And it's not just about the number on the scale, where you carry your weight matters. Abdominal fat, that apple shape, is a much bigger risk factor for heart attacks and strokes.

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Next up, number five, challenge your mind. This is more than just staying busy, right?

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It's about purposeful engagement. Reading something complex, playing an instrument, having a really deep, thought-provoking conversation. It builds new neural pathways.

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Okay, number six feels really important post-pandemic: a strong social network.

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The data on this is amazing. Strong social ties seem to help ward off dementia and may genuinely help you live longer. We are social creatures. Isolation is toxic.

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And finally, a surprising one. Number seven, oral health.

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Yes. Don't overlook this. Floss, brush, see a dentist. There's a growing link between poor oral health-like gum disease and a higher risk of heart disease and stroke. It's all connected.

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You know, we also have to talk about preventive care because the sources brought up a really nuanced point about screening tests as we age.

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This was fascinating. While screenings are good, their benefit can actually decline with age, and they can sometimes cause harm. Harm, how? A false positive. It could lead you down a path of risky, invasive, and ultimately unnecessary follow-up tests for a disease you never even had.

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So it's not a one-size-fits-all recommendation.

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Not at all. It has to be a conversation with your doctor about your personal risk and just as importantly, whether you'd even want the treatment if they found something.

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And immunizations. Which ones are the non-negotiables for adults?

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The list is pretty clear: an annual flu shot, the pneumococcal pneumonia vaccine once you're over 65, a TDAP or T booster every 10 years, and the shingles vaccine for everyone over 50.

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Aaron Powell So let's tie this all together. Aging is this continuous progressive thing. It starts with telomere shortening and ends with our heart having to work a little harder.

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Right. And the big synthesis is that while aging itself is inevitable, the severity of it is not. It's manageable. Understanding these mechanisms and applying those lifestyle pillars, that's your toolkit.

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It's about taking proactive control to reduce your disease risk and just live better for longer. And please remember the main distinction Severe memory loss is not normal aging.

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It's a sign of disease. Call your doctor.

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Which brings us to a final really big picture thought. If science actually cracks this, if we develop drugs that dramatically extend healthy human life, what happens then?

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It creates an incredible societal challenge. The source put it perfectly. It's only a good thing if the world can find room, work, and resources for all the additional people.

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You'd have to rethink everything: retirement, housing, jobs. The entire structure of society is built around our current lifespan. What if people are healthy and working at 100?

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That's the provocative thought we want to leave you with. The science might give us more time, but as a society, we have to figure out what to do with it. The ethical and logistical questions are just massive.

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For now, use this knowledge to have better, more proactive conversations with your doctor. That's it for this deep dive. We hope this helps you manage aging, not just endure it. See you next time.